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Old July 26, 2018   #1
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1st Pull of the season. Pulled up the double Wes I had in a container. I got 1 large fruit - everything else is BER and lagging.

The Wes I have in dirt seems fine though. 1 Ripe, and a handful of them with fruit of good size with no BER.

After the summer noreaster, the container wes was throwing a fit. 85% of the leaves yellowed out. The rest of my containers are fine....it was just the wes.

Interestingy enoughly, the mix for the wes is different than my primary container mix. My container mix is primarily bark. The Wes was leftover from a bale of Promix, it was all ProMix.

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Old July 26, 2018   #2
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How was the container plant getting calcium? That's my first thought when reading your post.
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Old July 26, 2018   #3
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Old July 26, 2018   #4
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All ProMix sounds like you have to much moisture retention going on (yellow leaves), then drying out too fast. While I've never figured out the cause(s) of BER, I've heard many say that even, steady, just enough moisture is the goal.
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I use Promix all the time on Indoor Plants....

Since reading how the fellow *earthbox* guys over at the 'ville like ProMix that much, figuered I would just give it a whirl.

Watering in pots are consistent for the most part. I have them all on drip and check to see if it's good depending on the temps.
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Was kinda suprised as the PBTD was the one I was expecting to give up the ghost 1st . Not that the rain has gone, yeah, the entire foliage went toast on the Wes.
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Was kinda suprised as the PBTD was the one I was expecting to give up the ghost 1st . Not that the rain has gone, yeah, the entire foliage went toast on the Wes.
PBTD has been a favorite of mine for several years. I was such a fan that I devoted 4 spots to a growout of PBTD crosses. All 4 were a bust this summer. BUGS galore! Lower production too.

In my shady backyard garden, I grew the standard PBTD and has bug issues and poor production too. Its been hot and dry, then hot and wet. I loved the taste but this year the blacks are watery. No BER though.

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Mostly bark? No wonder you have BER everywhere, that stuff if for subirrigation only.
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Composted bark mix in containers is my preferred mix for my container plants. THIS yes, the mix is slightly ~off~ due to me adding more containers last minute and speading the mix across all pots and then adding new bark. The ONLY one that seems to suffered the most on the BER was the Wes in ProMix though. Got a single large fruit out of it and that with 2 plants in the container. Everything else has shown BER in the early youngling stages and the ones that look like no BER, eventually show as well.

On the flipside, literally, the same WES in dirt has got set of fruit the size of 2 fists with one or 2 close to ripe.
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If I'm wrong please correct me but you are only talking about the variety Wes, and yes I know it well.

Fact is that I'm a huge lover of heart varieties as several here at Tville already know and to date have grown several hundreds of them.

And not ONCE have I ever seen BER affect a heart variety,either external or internal BER.

And yes, the variables at work with BER are very well known and I can give you a link if you want me to.

I should also say that my experience with hearts as to growing them, was sprawling them in what one might got call dirt, others might say soil. And that until just a few years ago when I had to have them grown in large individual containers with one of those spiral three pronged cone shaped supports jammed into the contents of the containers.

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Oh well, always a first time for everything. I got three fruits with BER on a container grown Dotson's Lebanese heart yesterday. Planted in a Promix HP and mushroom manure mixture.
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Oh well, always a first time for everything. I got three fruits with BER on a container grown Dotson's Lebanese heart yesterday. Planted in a Promix HP and mushroom manure mixture.
I use promix as well and had some trouble with BER on several plants. But without question, the plant most severely affected (to the point of me almost culling it) was EM Champion - a heart.
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Coastal- I also observed BER on DLH on the actual discovery plant in 2015. I treated with calcium at that point, but it was already too far gone. I was only able to save two fruit, the seeds of which carried on to later generations. You can see the BER in the below picture on that plant. Sorry you're going through this too!
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Old July 27, 2018   #14
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I've pretty much assigned BER as one of those mysteries in life! Not sure what caused it, hate it when it's here, happy when it's gone!

I know that calcium does not always help & it does seem to be associated with fluctuations in watering. But then again, I don't grow in a greenhouse so there are always fluctuations in watering!

I trying to think if I've ever seen BER on a heart. Huh.


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Old July 27, 2018   #15
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Wowsers, on all the comments. All season long leading up to the other day when I decided to pull it....I was plucking BER Wes almost everyday. Somedays, I said, yes, no BER on these, I think it's going to make it. The following morning, black bottoms...

Wes so far in the ground is doing jusst fine.

It's a give or take with no rhyme or reason. Some years, I fare out better in ground. Last year, containers seemed to be doing better than the in ground. This year (and I know my mix was not on point), I'm doing better in ground on some, but others like BWSS, CP , both pots and ground and just in point !
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