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Old March 22, 2013   #121
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The Moravsky Div which I got from Sandhill was a much larger plant than Stupice. The fruit was very early like Stupice, but blocky in shape. Stupice tends to let up here when the weather gets hot, but Moravsky Div continued to set dense clusters of fruit. The flavor seemed fuller than Stupice, which is a fine-tasting early tomato.
So it sounds like I may have had a slightly different strain, or the conditions just favored Moravsky Div last year.

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Old March 22, 2013   #122
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The Moravsky Div which I got from Sandhill was a much larger plant than Stupice. The fruit was very early like Stupice, but blocky in shape. Stupice tends to let up here when the weather gets hot, but Moravsky Div continued to set dense clusters of fruit. The flavor seemed fuller than Stupice, which is a fine-tasting early tomato.
So it sounds like I may have had a slightly different strain, or the conditions just favored Moravsky Div last year.

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Lee, I was the source of Moravsky Div, I forgot who did the seed production for me, original seeds from Andrey in Belarus, to Glenn at Sandhill as I was to several other places..

Once I grew MD I didn't go back to Stupice or Matina, etc.

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Since Stupicke was developed from the initial cross Mikado x Rheinlands Ruhm x Solanum Racemigerum, and "genuine" three-way crosses are not possible, I'd be interested in knowing if it was (Mikado x Rheinlands Ruhm) x Solanum Racemigerum or Mikado x (Rheinlands Ruhm x Solanum Racemigerum) "just for the record".
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Old March 23, 2013   #124
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Since Solanum Racemigerum, now not recognized, suggested as name of larger variants of Solanum Pimpinellifolium as an independent species, is an early ripening "wild tomato", its presence in the pedigree of Stupicke probably accounts for that variety's earliness, and also for my personal experience of Stupicke's late blight tolerance.

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Old March 23, 2013   #125
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Just to add to the confusion/mystery. The first heirloom tomato I ever tasted was a Stupice in 2007. I bought Carolyn's book that year and selected a handfull of tomatoes from the book and ordered them. My stupice seeds came from Tomato Growers Supply. It was the first tomato to ripen on June 29. I thought the taste was amazing, probably because it was the first heirloom/OP tomato I ever tasted. Since then I have probably been biased toward Stupice because of my first experience, and I usually grow them every year. I do remember that the plant was large, maybe not huge but definitely large. Maybe 5' tall. I also grew a Matina that year and the Matina was bigger, but not by much. Last year I grew a Moravsky Div, seeds from Gleckler, and it was nowhere near the size of the Stupice, nor did it produce like it. In all fairness the MD was grown in a fairly smallish container, and my original Stupice was grown in the ground. Most of my tomatoes grow well in containers, so, although not scientific, I still have to say that MD is smaller than Stupice.
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Old March 24, 2013   #126
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Since Solanum Racemigerum, now not recognized, suggested as name of larger variants of Solanum Pimpinellifolium as an independent species, is an early ripening "wild tomato", its presence in the pedigree of Stupicke probably accounts for that variety's earliness, and also for my personal experience of Stupicke's late blight tolerance.
A several annotation:
-I know that you interest in the crossing of tomatoes (your supplieas on www.zahrada .cz). I do not.
-(Mikádo x Sláva Porýní) x Solanum racemigerum
-I agreement with: Solanum racemigerum is an early ripening and its presence in the pedigree of Stupice probably accounts for that variety´s earliness. Name is not important. Community Gengel offers such like seeds (may be MD). Their web sites- Google chrome-malware now.
-I plant Stupice each year about six plants only for its earliness. Some of them I prune over third vijan (more early).My lovely tomato Start F1 mature only 8-10 days after and it has better smack for me.
-I planted Stupice green-house never. Stupice is small, Stupice green-house is big.
My idea: To graft Stupice on Stupice green-house (rootstock). That is why I have Stupice greenhouse this year.
-Seeds of Sláva Porýní and Stupices are selling in Czech too because these firms use them for hybrid crossing. For example for Start F1 is using Stupice or Sláva Porýní I read 20 years ago ( I don´t remember which now)
-I salute all on this thread and I end
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