Saving Seed...from a large fruit?

[murihikukid]

Hi...I have a simple question and I would be very grateful for any information....
I have a Tomato plant and on a cluster that are coming ripe is ONE unusually large fruit..

Will I be wise in over ripening this fruit and saving its seeds...?

Reason being fruit on this seasons plants are too small and maybe the seeds from this one fruit will create new plants with large fruit next season....or is this not correct..or at least a try...Thanks Ron

[rhines81]

I wouldn't necessarily let it over ripen ... try it to see if you like the taste and texture, etc... before you decide to save the seed.

Is it a hybrid??

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by murihikukid

Hi...I have a simple question and I would be very grateful for any information....
I have a Tomato plant and on a cluster that are coming ripe is ONE unusually large fruit..

Will I be wise in over ripening this fruit and saving its seeds...?

Reason being fruit on this seasons plants are too small and maybe the seeds from this one fruit will create new plants with large fruit next season....or is this not correct..or at least a try...Thanks Ron

If it's only ONE large fruit on a truss, and it looks like the other small ones as to color, etc, I would assume it was the result of a somatic mutation,those are permanent and heritable, as opposed to seed mutations, so let it ripen up at least 1/2 to 3/4 up towards the stem end, and then save those seeds and process them.

Carolyn

[murihikukid]

Originally Posted by carolyn137

If it's only ONE large fruit on a truss, and it looks like the other small ones as to color, etc, I would assume it was the result of a somatic mutation,those are permanent and heritable, as opposed to seed mutations, so let it ripen up at least 1/2 to 3/4 up towards the stem end, and then save those seeds and process them.

Carolyn

Carolyn >>I have a problem that I require an experts advice ...I am very suspicious of what is happening over here re these Tasty Toms.....

Now can I ask you ...if a tomato fruit has a certain characteristic does its TRUE off spring retain this..

You see all Tasty Toms fruit from previous seasons had a point like a Pixies Hat on them...That is how I identified them ..This point is very visible through their life cycle ...from the time the fruit first appear til they ripen...I will try and find a photo and post it to show what I mean....Now my friend and myself have purchased plants as Tasty Toms and the fruit do not have the distinctive point but are smoothly round..these do not have the taste we both associate with Tasty Toms...

Now I have plants with fruit with the point and also smooth with no point and clearly the fruit with the point are true Tasty Toms and have the acidic taste...You may have seen Campari ...The Campari I have grown over here have the same point on them as Tasty toms have...

Can I rely on this characteristic of the fruit in telling me...Yes this plant is a genuine Tasty Tom...Hopefully the answer is Yes....

I will put a photo up in an edit soon...Its just the same as a previous photo but with a caption on it..

Regards Ron

[carolyn137]

Ron, I did some Googling and found that Tasty Tom is not an F1 hybrid at all,as I read the link below,it's the same as Campari, and yes, reports from New Zealand as well.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Tast...&bih=815&dpr=1

So at this point I don't see how I can be of more help unless you do..

Carolyn

[murihikukid]

Originally Posted by carolyn137

Ron, I did some Googling and found that Tasty Tom is not an F1 hybrid at all,as I read the link below,it's the same as Campari, and yes, reports from New Zealand as well.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Tast...&bih=815&dpr=1

So at this point I don't see how I can be of more help unless you do..

Carolyn

Carolyn...Thanks for your reply but I am getting lost here....As I Understand Tasty Tom is a variety developed in the Netherlands (mainly intended for the German or Europe market) and was patented world wide.....How it got to New Zealand or who actually controls the market here is beyond me ...There are certainly no seeds available to a home grower like myself ....unless I use seeds I have processed myself from plants I have bought..

Now my main reason for posting remains unanswered IE .if a tomato fruit has a certain characteristic does its TRUE off spring retain this.. and I would be extremely grateful for any info on this....

Why thats important knowing is that I can then Identify at an early stage if what I am growing is hopefully a Tasty Tom ..Of course I cannot be 100% sure til the fruit ripen and I can do a Taste Test....

What I have found so far is that only plants that produce a fruit with a small peak on the bottom have what I regard as a Tasty Tom Taste ...I grew a Campari last year and both myself and a friend in a taste test could tell a difference between Tasty Tom and Campari...

Just to devastate me further is that the lady has given me seeds for what is 99% a Black Krim and seems unsure of what has happened to the beautiful tomato that she grew as a Black from Tula ...but because it had a Potato leaf was not a Black from Tula.. That is a disaster for me....

Regards Ron

[Cole_Robbie]

Campari, as well as being one specific variety, is also used as a general term for tomatoes sold as 'on the vine.'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campari_tomato

[murihikukid]

Hi...Yes it is a Tasty Tom which is a Hybrid and the plant itself is from a cutting...Yes it has all the colour/shape etc of others....including one I have just picked but 1/2 its size..and its from one of the plants I grew from seed from last seasons Tasty Toms purchased from a garden centre ..and its got a great taste....The largest Garden centre is now growing Tasty Toms under anther name and I purchased mature plants and they are looking pretty good .....
Hopefully I can get my own seed bank from this seasons crop...I have no faith in seed suppliers here...IE I never knew Midnights were a small globe fruit and thats what mine are producing ??

Thanks for your advice ..its really appreciated...Regards Ron

[zipcode]

The first reason for a bigger fruit is a fused bloom, which one can recognize by out of ordinary shape. Saving seed from that will not help you with your goal.

[carolyn137]

Originally Posted by zipcode

The first reason for a bigger fruit is a fused bloom, which one can recognize by out of ordinary shape. Saving seed from that will not help you with your goal.

Please reread Ron's post #4 since I already asked him what this larger one looked like and, well, he agreed,it was the same as the other fruits although much bigger,

I wouldn't say that the 1'st reason for a bigger fruit is a fused,aka megabloom,I think I also mentioned the difference between a somatic and a seed mutation in my answer as well.

Carolyn

[BigVanVader]

I always save seeds from the biggest fruit as long as the other traits are all agreeable. I'm convinced it works.

[Nan_PA_6b]

Murihikukid, you say the plant is a Tasty Tom, and is a hybrid. You won't get Tasty Tom seeds from a hybrid plant. You will get F2 seeds and F2 plants that may not resemble Tasty Toms at all. With hybrid plants, you need to buy the F1 seeds or buy the plants.

Nan

[murihikukid]

Originally Posted by Nan_PA_6b

Murihikukid, you say the plant is a Tasty Tom, and is a hybrid. You won't get Tasty Tom seeds from a hybrid plant. You will get F2 seeds and F2 plants that may not resemble Tasty Toms at all. With hybrid plants, you need to buy the F1 seeds or buy the plants.

Nan

Hi..Yes I understand this (at least sort of)....Thats why I saved seed from last season ?? Just to try out and see what happens .....
Unfortunately it seems I cannot rely on anybody here and have explained this in a follow up post ...Regards Ron

[murihikukid]

Hi...Well heres my story..I will try to make it short....Just over a year ago (early Jan 2017) I purchased 5 Tasty Tom (Mature) plants from a local (A) gardening centre ...They were great so I asked the growing Company in an email if these would be available this season....Answer_YES...So I contacted the same local gardening centre and told them that I required the same Tasty Tom Mature plants again ...that I had contacted the growing company and they hoped they would become available aprox the end of October....
I said please do not let me down as my whole growing season is based around getting these Mature Tasty Tom Plants ...
So I waited til the gardening centre contacted me (while I reminded them when visiting) ....

Meantime I had made a telephone enquiry re a fertilizer from another (B) Garden Centre and during this I was asked by the lady if there was anything else.....I just happened to ask "do you get mature Tomato Plants in IE Tasty Toms" ....Yes was the reply do you want us to ring you when we get them... to which I replied yes but I could not guarantee a sale as there were factors like quality and price that I needed to be aware of.....

Subsequently about 3 - 4 weeks later I received a phone call from the same lady telling me "MY" mature Tasty toms were there ....The "my" surprised me ? However I asked about growth and price....but immediately when I was told $29.99 per plant was the price I declined..
I thought that if they had them the other Gardening centre (A) would to as both were supplied by the same grower......
Well I kept making enquiries to (A) even explaining to the manager that (B) had mature plants
so basicly what was going on ??

Well subsequently their inaction to my concerns and because I needed plants led me to discuss my situation with (C) ...a complete garden centre who grew their own plants ....YES we can supply you with Mature Tasty Toms @ $15 each but we no longer call them Tasty Toms but by another name....they will be ready in aprox 3 weeks....Now I sought clarification on the change of name and was assured I was buying Tasty Toms ....
So I made a final effort to get clarification from gardening centre (A) re my getting Tasty Toms from them and realised I was wasting my time so I advised them I was no longer interested and ordered 6 plants from (C) and these duly arrived about 3 weeks later and photos were put up of them in a post on tomatoville ...I was concerned about the green and hardness of the plants...

Anyway I transplanted them and fed them with Miracle Gro and then Phostrogen and was quite happy til 2 days ago a few fruit turned ripe....for me to taste
I might be old but I still have taste and this fruit was bland and nothing like a Tasty Tom.
So I feel devastated cause i have worked so hard on my Tomatoes .....Just to make sure I am correct I have a friend who is growing Tasty toms bought from (A) and he will do a taste test for me as against my so called Tasty Toms....When I have some to give him...

So I am now hoping I can grow some cuttings from two Tasty Tom plants that I purchased from (A) back in September that are Tasty toms....

I feel that I have been up front and done nothing wrong yet have ended up in a situation I do not like ....It appears here in New Zealand I have no safe guard against these people...

So heres a photo of the Tomato I will save seed from as long as the other smaller one on the truss tastes right ...My friend says his Tasty Toms are quite Big...So I might have to do some trading with him..as well....

Regards Ron.

[Nan_PA_6b]

Wow, Ron, I'm sorry to hear that! Yes, your best bet would be to grow cuttings from plants from "A".

Now if your tomatoes (from C) and your friend's tomatoes (from A) all taste alike, it could be the weather. Weather can do horrible things to the taste of a tomato.

I feel for you... so much time, effort, & $$ but so little reward.

Nan