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Old December 22, 2016   #1
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This will be the thread for asking questions about varieties you receive (after you've done a thorough search at Tatiana's, of course).
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Searches have turned up next to nothing on a few varieties, so I'll kick this off!

Can anyone give me more information on these? Interested in fruit size, shape, maturity (early/mid/late season), color, leaf type, and anything else you can tell me about them. I believe they are all pastes, but please correct me if that's not the case.

Thanks in advance!

Scalone

Big Ray's Argentina

Spagnoletta

Pitanga
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From http://exchange.seedsavers.org

Big Ray's Argentina
85 days, Elongated paste variety. Regular leaf plant with very good taste and good production of 7" red fruit. Great for sauce and salsa. This is a relatively obscure variety - at least I haven't found it listed anywhere - and it would be great to get a few others growing it.

Spagnoletta
Potato leaf, small, flattened, segmented fruit with unique Mediterranean flavor. Adapts to saliferous soils. Small plant, used to prepare dried tomatoes or good in salads if picked half-ripe Grown in the Gaeta Gulf and Formia areas of Italy. I received seeds from my barber who came from this area in Italy where it is well known and appreciated for the gem that it is
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Spagnoletta is also known as Casalino. A flattened, ribbed Costoluto type, similar to Costoluto Genovese. I grew it last year and sent in seeds. It's a great saucer, just like the other Costolutos.
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I found this pix in a search on "Pitanga Images".
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I found this pix in a search on "Pitanga Images".


That's about all I initially found and when I saw it I immediately thought of a tomato Brokenbar (Mary) had shared seeds for a couple of years ago. She said she had saved the seeds from a tomato she had purchased in a marketplace in Venice and not knowing what it was, called it Venetian Marketplace.

But then I found a video reportedly showing Pitanga as a piriform shaped tomato, and other images that looked like a costoluto variety.
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Big Ray's Argentina
85 days, Elongated paste variety. Regular leaf plant with very good taste and good production of 7" red fruit. Great for sauce and salsa. This is a relatively obscure variety - at least I haven't found it listed anywhere - and it would be great to get a few others growing it.

Spagnoletta
Potato leaf, small, flattened, segmented fruit with unique Mediterranean flavor. Adapts to saliferous soils. Small plant, used to prepare dried tomatoes or good in salads if picked half-ripe Grown in the Gaeta Gulf and Formia areas of Italy. I received seeds from my barber who came from this area in Italy where it is well known and appreciated for the gem that it is


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Spagnoletta is also known as Casalino. A flattened, ribbed Costoluto type, similar to Costoluto Genovese. I grew it last year and sent in seeds. It's a great saucer, just like the other Costolutos.


Thank you both!

Big Ray's Argentina would be interesting to grow along side some of the other elongated varieties I will grow.

And knowing that Spagnoletta is from the Gaeta, I'll definitely have to give it a go. That's where my daughter-in-law's Italian side of the family came from, but the old family tomato varieties apparently stopped being grown a generation or two ago.
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Tormato, are these F1 or F2...etc.

Aunt Ruby’s Yellow Cherry F? It's OP.
Green Envy F?
Sweet Mojo F?

I didn't find info for Ice Cherry. Could it be Italian Ice? If it is Italian Ice - it's a F? too.
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And knowing that Spagnoletta is from the Gaeta, I'll definitely have to give it a go. That's where my daughter-in-law's Italian side of the family came from, but the old family tomato varieties apparently stopped being grown a generation or two ago.
In case you want an authentic italian sauce recipe for your Spagnoletta tomatoes, check out this one:

http://www.matriciana.us
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I have a few I couldn't find info on either.

Dagestanskyi

Bleeding Heart (All my searches for this one just showed the ornamental flowering plant)

Deep Space

Heroda's

Ludmilla ( found some description but one said a red plum, another a pink heart and a third site said a giant yellow. So confused)

Mom's Heart

Pitanga ( Thanks for the info from above, will add it to my card)

Rose de L'omio

Any help would be appreciated! : )
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Could Heroda's be Herodes...?

http://www.bobby-seeds.com/en/Vegeta...ato::2402.html

edit. This is on my 2017 list, ordered it from the abovementioned company Looks interesting!!

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Thank you so much. Changing the spelling on my card.
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I found this pix in a search on "Pitanga Images".
This is a beautiful tomato!!!
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Perhaps another alternate spelling

http://t.tatianastomatobase.com:88/wiki/Dagestanskiy

Mom's Heart from Seed Savers ....
Indet. reg. leaf plant with a high yield of 12-20 oz. pink heart shaped fruit with excellent flavor.

and Bleeding Heart
http://shop.wildboarfarms.com/BLEEDI...ease-BLEED.htm
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Starlight,

I believe that Deep Space 9 is a brown paste tomato that is excellent for making sauce! I am hoping to grow it this year.

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