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Old March 4, 2018   #16
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In your situation, I'm not sure I would grow any black tomatoes. I love them, but I believe that they thrive in full sun and hot weather. I don't think that the two varieties you grew should be tasteless .

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This^^^
Try the Mocha Splash, it is early, productive too.
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These have done well for me:

Bear Creek
Black from Tula
Gary'O Sena
JD's Special C-Tex
Noire charbonneuse
Carbon
Cherokee Carbon
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Black Krim, Black from Tula and Cherokee Purple are the ones I like. I don't think that the colour of a tomato requires any special conditions, they are all the same species. You might want to give them a head start by growing them under cover for the early part of the season and then removing it latter on. Simple cloches work really well in cool climates at the start of the year.

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I think all of the tomatoes in your list are great. Go with your instinct and grow the ones you highlighted this year. Eventually though you may wish to try them all until you find your favourite
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We grew Berkeley Tie-Dye (not pink) under bad conditions: too much shade, pure clay soil, about 15 cm of soil over bedrock, and "dry farming", very little water. Under these conditions it produced 11 tomatoes, and the taste was VERY strong. It wasn't sweet, but it was good tasting. It was NOT boring. If grown in deeper soil, and better soil, it ought to produce more.

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I second Black From Tula and add Indian Stripe , both RL and PL. They have real well for me in a shaded garden back in PNW.
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I'll choose:
Bear Creek
Large barred boar
My nameless black (to compare to large barred boar)
Mocha splash

These will go in my parents garden (more sun):
Berkeley tie dye (or pink Berkeley tie dye, I'll google the difference)
Black and red boar
Margeret curtain

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I checked out some dtm's. I usually only pick varieties with max 75 dtm.
These are too late:
Why do you need early tomatoes? I have lived there for one year, and temperatures etc indicate one has a fairly long growing season (I would expect ripening from around mid july to end of october).
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In my opinion Black Krim = Noire de Crimee
I have grown both, they are rather different.
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Why do you need early tomatoes? I have lived there for one year, and temperatures etc indicate one has a fairly long growing season (I would expect ripening from around mid july to end of october).
I'd rather have something that produces from July to October than something that only produces from September to October. The former is twice as productive as the latter, all other things being equal. Yes, I can ripen late varieties, but I feel like I'm being cheated out of half a season.

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Why do you need early tomatoes? I have lived there for one year, and temperatures etc indicate one has a fairly long growing season (I would expect ripening from around mid july to end of october).
I hear you. I am struggling too with that 'rule'.
Our season isn't short indeed. In theory our last frost date is May 15 but in reality we never have frost that late. Some winters pass without frost (even though that is rare), but most winters we have only a couple of night frosts.
Our first frost date is the end of October. But again, that is very pessimistic.
This year we had frost the second half of February and I assume that will be it for this year.
Our season is long enough. But cool. Our warmest months are
June (min 12°C, max 21°C, average 16°C = 60°F)
July (min 14°C, max 23°C, average 18°C = 64°F)
and August (a little bit cooler then July).
That is not very warm. It can also be cloudy during weeks and sometimes it rains. Some years we have nice summers but as you have met Belgians, we always complain about rain/clouds/grey skies.
The plants thrive in those warmer months but then the temperatures drop again. I think plants here grow a lot slower and fruit ripens slower when it is cool. It is advised here to not grown varieties with a 75+ dtm if you don't have a greenhouse. But actually those days don't count, since I get easily 90 days of growing season. The idea behind is that if a midseason variety takes 75 days to mature in a warm climate, it might take, I don't know, 90 days in a cooler climate.
Please correct me if I see this wrong. I am not experienced enough.
Last year I had some plants that did almost nothing: Rebel Yell (1 fruit), Wes (1), Arbuznyi (0). That was annoying.

Maybe there exist some late varieties that don't mind cool temperatures, and hold on to there promised dtm ;-). In that case they are welcome :-). They will also have to handle very limited ours of sunshine, after mid September.
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I'd rather have something that produces from July to October than something that only produces from September to October. The former is twice as productive as the latter, all other things being equal. Yes, I can ripen late varieties, but I feel like I'm being cheated out of half a season.

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Indeed, the earlier varieties will continu to be productive and thus give more fruits.
The varieties that need heat will not taste as good as they should eighter.
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I have grown both, they are rather different.
Same for me, different
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Black krim was special the first year in my garden. That year weeding was immpossible, and BK was the only one to have fruit among the 5 foot weeds. And the flavor was memorable.

It can handle shade IMO, just not quite as much as the weeds provided.
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I have mix results on Black Krim. First time, about 12 yrs ago did well in Atlanta. But 4 yrs ago did poorly in PNW. Then I found other blacks that I liked better like Indian Stripe Black from Tula , Cherokee Purple, . So I have no reason to go back to BK.
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