First Casualties of 2017- DLH and Rebel Yell - Page 3

Spartanburg123 · April 24, 2017

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gardeneer

I was just curious and googled.
Here is what I found, a tomato plant infected wit TMV

Yes, here is mine:

Rockporter · April 24, 2017

Sadly, there are a lot of different ways TMV looks on an infected plant.

http://www.forestryimages.org/images...12/1234113.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ms_tobacco.jpg

Spartanburg123 · April 24, 2017

It's OK MuddyToes- now I know!

You know what- I remember two years ago, I planted two seedlings in two pots for my mother in law- and they suffered the same fate. Now I know that a smoker sat right there next to the pots, and that HAS to be what happened to them! TMV from unburned vapors in smoke!

Spartanburg123 · April 24, 2017

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rockporter

Sadly, there are a lot of different ways TMV looks on an infected plant.

http://www.forestryimages.org/images...12/1234113.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ms_tobacco.jpg

Yep, and either way, it's ugly. I just read that Big Beef, Celebrity, Sunsugar, and Sungold are resistant to TMV

Spartanburg123 · April 24, 2017

Sorry TOLERANT....never resistant, but TOLERANT...

MuddyToes · April 24, 2017

Scary stuff. My next door neighbors sit on their back porch and smoke every afternoon. The are probably 15 to 20 yards from my tomatoes. Is that too close?

AlittleSalt · April 24, 2017

I had wondered about smoking around the plants. You all have shown me proof of what happens. Here is general scholastic search to tomato mosaic virus. http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=...MRCSgQgQMIIDAA

clkeiper · April 25, 2017

So sorry this is what it is. this is why I don't let people even touch my tomato plants in the greenhouse if I smell cigarette smoke on them. I pick them up and put them in a bag and hand them to the person. so sorry you had to deal with it. I honestly have never seen it I just know that tobacco smoke and the residue on hands can do this. Geraniums are also susceptible to it. anyone who smoked was not allowed to touch the geraniums ever in the greenhouse I had my first job in.. I had one customer who stopped weekly for some of the dwarf project tomatoes I was growing in the greenhouse. he loved them, but I told him he wasn't allowed to touch my plants because tobacco could infect the tomatoes with the virus. he was very good about it.

imp · April 25, 2017

Diagnosing from a picture can be tough at times, losing valuable plants is also heart breaking. I was curious, since I am a smoker and have handled a lot of tomato plants, plus there is a long history of smoking tobaccos in this country and those smoking farmers did not wash their hands, etc., so looked up with a quick dirty search.

http://extension.psu.edu/pests/plant...in-greenhouses

Tobacco products, particularly those containing air-cured tobacco, may carry TMV. Flue-cured tobacco, used in making cigarettes, is heated repeatedly during its processing, thereby inactivating most if not all TMV. When tobacco products are handled or kept in pockets, hands and clothing can become contaminated with TMV and be a source of virus. TMV is NOT spread in the smoke of burning tobacco.

Good article and also advises that tobacco not be allowed in the green house ( unsmoked, LOL). There are many ways TMV can be transmitted and it even can live on in dead plant tissues!

Sorry your plants got infected and that you are losing them. Don't forget to wash all your plant tools, etc..

ginger2778 · April 25, 2017

I don't think he has TMV, I see speckled stippled leaf yellowing, and a big Web. I think the spider mites he has are doing the damage, and if webs are showing the infestation is pretty big, even if he only sees a few mites under the microscope. Spider mites and other mites mimicking an iron deficiency almost exactly but giving iron doesn't fix it.

But what do I know? After all, I don't work in a garden shop.

Spartanburg123 · April 25, 2017

Thanks Imp. It is possible that I am the culprit. My son dips snuff, and I'm constantly picking up snuff cans and spit jars in his room. Perhaps I touched the plants after handling these things.

Sun City Linda · April 25, 2017

I didn't check my steer manure this year and had so many starts of some tomatoes I decided to test on some. I thought I was in the clear but a few weeks later, clear signs of leaf damage / distortion. I tossed what was left of the manure around some roses and I'll be dang if I didn't start seeing a bunch of stringy new growth!

I thought it was just tomato plants that were so sensitive.

Spartanburg123 · April 25, 2017

Quote:

Originally Posted by ginger2778

I don't think he has TMV, I see speckled stippled leaf yellowing, and a big Web. I think the spider mites he has are doing the damage, and if webs are showing the infestation is pretty big, even if he only sees a few mites under the microscope. Spider mites and other mites mimicking an iron deficiency almost exactly but giving iron doesn't fix it.

But what do I know? After all, I don't work in a garden shop.

Wow, I really didn't deserve that. I never discounted mites completely, and mentioned that it could be a combination of things. I did see a few mites under the scope. If I've insulted you in some way, I'm really sorry- it was not intentional.

Spartanburg123 · April 26, 2017

Additional pictures of the damage as it stands today. The plants still look fine on the first three tiers of leaves, but the newest growth is stunted, leathery, and well, not growing. I'm going to pull these this weekend, but I just wanted to share what I'm seeing.

Thanks to all for your help!

Darin

Rockporter · April 26, 2017

That really stinks!

April 24, 2017	#32
Rockporter Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Texas Coastal Bend Posts: 3,205	Sadly, there are a lot of different ways TMV looks on an infected plant. http://www.forestryimages.org/images...12/1234113.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ms_tobacco.jpg __________________ In the spring at the end of the day you should smell like dirt ~Margaret Atwood~

April 25, 2017	#38
clkeiper Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: ohio Posts: 4,350	So sorry this is what it is. this is why I don't let people even touch my tomato plants in the greenhouse if I smell cigarette smoke on them. I pick them up and put them in a bag and hand them to the person. so sorry you had to deal with it. I honestly have never seen it I just know that tobacco smoke and the residue on hands can do this. Geraniums are also susceptible to it. anyone who smoked was not allowed to touch the geraniums ever in the greenhouse I had my first job in.. I had one customer who stopped weekly for some of the dwarf project tomatoes I was growing in the greenhouse. he loved them, but I told him he wasn't allowed to touch my plants because tobacco could infect the tomatoes with the virus. he was very good about it. __________________ carolyn k

April 26, 2017	#45
Rockporter Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Texas Coastal Bend Posts: 3,205	That really stinks! __________________ In the spring at the end of the day you should smell like dirt ~Margaret Atwood~

April 24, 2017	#33
Spartanburg123 Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Spartanburg, SC Posts: 1,262	It's OK MuddyToes- now I know! You know what- I remember two years ago, I planted two seedlings in two pots for my mother in law- and they suffered the same fate. Now I know that a smoker sat right there next to the pots, and that HAS to be what happened to them! TMV from unburned vapors in smoke!

April 24, 2017	#36
MuddyToes Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Delaware Posts: 234	Scary stuff. My next door neighbors sit on their back porch and smoke every afternoon. The are probably 15 to 20 yards from my tomatoes. Is that too close?

April 24, 2017	#37
AlittleSalt BANNED FOR LIFE Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 13,333	I had wondered about smoking around the plants. You all have shown me proof of what happens. Here is general scholastic search to tomato mosaic virus. http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=...MRCSgQgQMIIDAA

April 25, 2017	#39
imp Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Wichita Falls, Texas Posts: 4,832	Diagnosing from a picture can be tough at times, losing valuable plants is also heart breaking. I was curious, since I am a smoker and have handled a lot of tomato plants, plus there is a long history of smoking tobaccos in this country and those smoking farmers did not wash their hands, etc., so looked up with a quick dirty search. http://extension.psu.edu/pests/plant...in-greenhouses Tobacco products, particularly those containing air-cured tobacco, may carry TMV. Flue-cured tobacco, used in making cigarettes, is heated repeatedly during its processing, thereby inactivating most if not all TMV. When tobacco products are handled or kept in pockets, hands and clothing can become contaminated with TMV and be a source of virus. TMV is NOT spread in the smoke of burning tobacco. Good article and also advises that tobacco not be allowed in the green house ( unsmoked, LOL). There are many ways TMV can be transmitted and it even can live on in dead plant tissues! Sorry your plants got infected and that you are losing them. Don't forget to wash all your plant tools, etc..

April 25, 2017	#40
ginger2778 Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Plantation, Florida zone 10 Posts: 9,283	I don't think he has TMV, I see speckled stippled leaf yellowing, and a big Web. I think the spider mites he has are doing the damage, and if webs are showing the infestation is pretty big, even if he only sees a few mites under the microscope. Spider mites and other mites mimicking an iron deficiency almost exactly but giving iron doesn't fix it. But what do I know? After all, I don't work in a garden shop.

April 25, 2017	#42
Sun City Linda Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: SoCal Inland Posts: 2,705	I didn't check my steer manure this year and had so many starts of some tomatoes I decided to test on some. I thought I was in the clear but a few weeks later, clear signs of leaf damage / distortion. I tossed what was left of the manure around some roses and I'll be dang if I didn't start seeing a bunch of stringy new growth! I thought it was just tomato plants that were so sensitive.