Industrial Hemp
 

Appearntly our Govenor just signed a bill today, making it legal to grow industrial hemp in Illinois...
We're can I buy seeds?

Lots of them!

The 2014 FArm Bill already did that. Each state then had to change their state laws.
It still made it hard though. You had to have your states department of ag and univ. Extension come up with rules etc and have other stuff passed that regulates the whole process.
Then you had to register through the process they came up with and pay a small license fee. Other states have completed this process, with Illinois being the latest.
There was talk about making it truly legal in the current discussions of the new farm bill.
You will still have to go through all the BS as though it’s a criminal act and you are trying to get permission for it.

You have to bring the seeds in question to the place of permitting.
If they decide not to arrest you then you will get the permit.
Having the seeds without the permit is grounds for arrest.:lol:

Worth

Makes you wonder why this miraculous plant was banned in the first place. It doesn't make you high like the real cannabis plant and it can replace so many things such as medicines, gasoline , synthetic fibers and paper just to name a few


Henry Ford even made a car out of Hemp Fiber reported stronger than steel and fueled it with fuel made from Hemp.


[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srgE6Tzi3Lg[/URL]


The answer as to why it was banned is an easy one

This is not meant to be religious, nor political, but...



in the context of Marbury v Madison...
Genesis 1:29...(EVERY seed bearing herb)

and the free exercise clause of Article 1...


...it appears any such laws are null and void, but currently are not considered so, because We The People are clueless.



And please, no religious or political comments.

I've got a hemp t shirt I bought over 20 years ago that is still in good shape. It's great for the hot humid weather we have here, it's not like cotton were you feel and are soaking wet, it wicks the moisture away, I should have bought 20 of them.
Maybe that's why hemp diapers are becoming popular.

[QUOTE=pmcgrady;712987]Appearntly our Govenor just signed a bill today, making it legal to grow industrial hemp in Illinois...
We're can I buy seeds?

Lots of them![/QUOTE]

Same here in NY State,doing it for maybe about 3 years now.

Those interested had to apply to some state office and answer all sorts of questions since only four places to dispense it were allowed

[url]https://www.google.com/search?q=What++is+hemp+used+for&hl=en&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiNoueCqZDdAhXRMd8KHZwqCq8Q_AUICSgA&biw=1706&bih=815&dpr=1[/url]

Considering the many uses for hemp, as noted in the above link, it's no wonder why so many wanted the franchises.

[url]https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1706&bih=815&ei=pI6FW9SiLvCH_Qaj76wo&q=How+is+hemp+different+from+marajuna&oq=How+is+hemp+different+from+marajuna&gs_l=img.3...2349.35383.0.40717.35.12.0.23.0.0.137.869.11j1.12.0....0...1ac.1.64.img..0.6.402...0j0i30k1j0i5i30k1j0i10i24k1.0.IucL9bNYmzw[/url]

No problem getting seeds for hemp as the above links show.


Carolyn, who when she first moved to where she is right now and was growing lots of tomatoes off rt 153 near her,would be picking tomatoes,look up and see a helicopter hovering above her.Told her brother and he said it's just one of the DEC helicopters checking you out to be sure you weren't growing weed. They also flew at night and had some kind of infrared,or whatever,that would make the plants glow. No problem this year since all I have are 10 Bonnie plants out there next to my home that someone else takes care of for me.:lol:

What can an acre of hemp yield? How much does it cost to produce? How much can a farmer sell it for, per acre, at current market rates? What is the total annual global production of hemp? I have heard all the miraculous claims about its beneficial properties but i have never heard these kinds of economic questions asked. If farmers could be making a lot of money growing and selling hemp, it would be more common. If there was an economic engine driving this thing it would have been made legal years ago. It seems very niche.


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[QUOTE=carolyn137;713060]one of the DEC helicopters checking you out to be sure you weren't growing weed. They also flew at night and had some kind of infrared,or whatever,that would make the plants glow.[/QUOTE]

It's FLIR, which stands for forward looking infrared radar. There was actually a supreme court case over it, and the cops lost. They are not supposed to use it any more without probable cause. I've read the case, and it was a brilliant piece of lawyering. The police are definitely not allowed to look inside your house without a warrant, and the lawyers convinced the court that if someone had poorly insulated walls and was leaning against one, then their image might be visible to the FLIR from outside their home, even though they had a reasonable expectation of privacy. It's a long shot that such a thing would actually happen, but the court bought the argument.

Good questions and honestly I don't know the answer. But from what I have read it takes little or no pesticides to grow successfully. After all it grows like a weed:lol:and will grow almost anywhere. So I would think it would be relatively cheap to grow. With all the potential uses it should demand a good price.


Industrial Hemp was deemed a threat to the Dupont's and other big business at the time. So a scheme was concocted to ban it somehow. This in where the cannabis that makes you stoned comes in.



Make this as short as I can. The powers that be laid out a plan to ban cannabis by conning the American public into thinking that cannabis was public enemy number 1.

It was vicious campaign using the media. Some of the things they said were really racist and cannot be discussed here.


So being that cannabis was such a threat to the USA they lumped industrial hemp in with cannabis saying that no chances should be taken and it should all be banned for public safety.


Here is a short movie trailer that shows the extent these people will go to to get a product of the market that threatens their wealth.


[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbjHOBJzhb0[/url]


Ironically in World War II they legalized it again when the survival of the country was at risk only to ban it again to protect the wealth and big business.


[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTjHKFTmNYo[/url]

[QUOTE=nbardo;713062]What can an acre of hemp yield? How much does it cost to produce? How much can a farmer sell it for, per acre, at current market rates? What is the total annual global production of hemp? I have heard all the miraculous claims about its beneficial properties but i have never heard these kinds of economic questions asked. If farmers could be making a lot of money growing and selling hemp, it would be more common. If there was an economic engine driving this thing it would have been made legal years ago. It seems very niche.


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It was not made legal years ago because it would be disruptive to many established markets for fiber, seed oil, animal feed, build materials, human-food grade proteins....
These large corporate gatekeepers are not gonna just let something come in and create competition when there is a convenient, albeit dumb, law in place that protects their space.
As far as economics, in June, it was reported that total sales in the US of hemp products totaled 700 MILLION.
The global market for hemp consists of more than 25,000 products in nine submarkets:
agriculture, textiles, recycling, automotive, furniture, food and beverages, paper, construction
materials, and personal care.
Raw material imports were about 67 million dollars in 2018.
What is the hurdle keeping it nich-like?: Current challenges facing the industry include the need to reestablish agricultural supply chains, breed varieties with modern attributes, upgrade harvesting
equipment, modernize processing and manufacturing, and identify new market opportunities.
Currently, the interstate commerce rules are creating a problem with producers that want to sell seed or protein meal across state lines.
Producers can grow it in approved states, but there needs to be seed dealers, feed processors/pressers, grain handling and storage etc. The companies that can do this are hesitant to invest in the infrastructure because the don't know where they can send and receive until the federal law allows free movement of raw feedstock of seed and fiber, and the movement of finished product.
Without this, farmers are reluctant to grow it if there is no market. Thus we have a vicious catch 22 to get the industry going, hence the push in the 2018 Farm Bill to re-classify hemp as a non-drug so that it will bust open the market.

As far as the pesticide claim, being that you don't have to spray hemp, that is not the whole story. Nobody sprays hemp because you can't (Legally)!
When it comes to ag production, you can only apply chemicals to crops that are registered on the label for the product. Because there has been no market for hemp, no chemical company has done the research and paid to list hemp as one of the crops their product is labeled to treat.
Hemp would fit into many corn/bean/wheat rotations, and you better believe that a farmer is going to do pre-plant herbicide treatments, and may also have to spray some insecticides to keep defoliating bugs from destroying the crop (think grasshoppers or beetles). Good chance they will also do seed treatments for insects and fungicide. You can argue whether or not these are necessary, but the same case could be made for corn or beans. The point is, unless its organic, the ag industry (product companies and universities) will make sure that hemp is treated just like all other field-scale commodities, and train farmers to grow it just like corn and beans, again, unless its an organic farm. When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail. This is the agronomy system in the USA 2018, and hemp is not gonna change that.
So, when you read any story touting hemp as an eco-friendly alternative crop that will save the environment, count me as 100% skeptical that it turns out that way.
If the market is truly freed-up, companies will do the research or pay the universities to give their data (which is occurring now) on what they are spraying, how often, and fertilizer rates, seed treatments, fertilizer ect...
If you want to support it to provide a better source of fiber, feed, etc., or that we can provide another market for domestic farmers, that I can agree on.

One of the interesting things about hemp I've read, for me, is the use of it to remediate soil that has been contaminated.

[QUOTE=PureHarvest;713070]As far as the pesticide claim, being that you don't have to spray hemp, that is not the whole story. Nobody sprays hemp because you can't (Legally)!
When it comes to ag production, you can only apply chemicals to crops that are registered on the label for the product. Because there has been no market for hemp, no chemical company has done the research and paid to list hemp as one of the crops their product is labeled to treat.
Hemp would fit into many corn/bean/wheat rotations, and you better believe that a farmer is going to do pre-plant herbicide treatments, and may also have to spray some insecticides to keep defoliating bugs from destroying the crop (think grasshoppers or beetles). Good chance they will also do seed treatments for insects and fungicide. You can argue whether or not these are necessary, but the same case could be made for corn or beans. The point is, unless its organic, the ag industry (product companies and universities) will make sure that hemp is treated just like all other field-scale commodities, and train farmers to grow it just like corn and beans, again, unless its an organic farm. When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail. This is the agronomy system in the USA 2018, and hemp is not gonna change that.
So, when you read any story touting hemp as an eco-friendly alternative crop that will save the environment, count me as 100% skeptical that it turns out that way.
If the market is truly freed-up, companies will do the research or pay the universities to give their data (which is occurring now) on what they are spraying, how often, and fertilizer rates, seed treatments, fertilizer ect...
If you want to support it to provide a better source of fiber, feed, etc., or that we can provide another market for domestic farmers, that I can agree on.[/QUOTE]


I know you are right. No doubt it would require many applications of pesticides whether it needed it or not :lol:

[QUOTE=imp;713071]One of the interesting things about hemp I've read, for me, is the use of it to remediate soil that has been contaminated.[/QUOTE]

After some brief searching, a question still remains for me on phytoremediation: where do the plant parts that take up the contaminants go?
Some of them are burned for bio-fuel. So I guess they go airborne in the combustion exhaust?
What about the ones that aren’t burned? It cant go into food or feed (legally). Composting it and spreading it would return the problem or move it elsewhere.
So what do they do with the crop that takes it out of the soil?

[QUOTE=PureHarvest;713074]After some brief searching, a question still remains for me on phytoremediation: where do the plant parts that take up the contaminants go?
Some of them are burned for bio-fuel. So I guess they go airborne in the combustion exhaust?
What about the ones that aren’t burned? It cant go into food or feed (legally). Composting it and spreading it would return the problem or move it elsewhere.
So what do they do with the crop that takes it out of the soil?[/QUOTE]


Don't know the answer to that, but it's a good question.

Found some information put out by the university of kentucky. Its 5 years old so some of then information isnt up to date but it highlights some of the challenges. Namely the uncertainty with laws and with competition from other countries, the lack of a large established market with processing facilities to handle production, tools for processing the stalks to fiber efficiently, etc. And the lack of crop insurance for hemp is (was?) a big deal. They thought it would get started purely as an oilseed crop and if the market develops that technology and expertise might allow for more of the benefits of the fiber to be realized.

Hard to justify all that when corn, soy, canola, and cotton are all known quantities, and farmers have gotten very very good at growing them.

[url]https://www.uky.edu/Ag/AgEcon/pubs/reshempimpfarmer28.pdf[/url]

Interesting topic


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Part of the reason that hemp will not replace trees as a paper source is that a large part of the trees used for paper in the US are grown in sparsely populated, often swampy and scrubby regions of the southeast, land that is not well-suited to any other type of agriculture, whether from climate or lack of infrastructure.

[QUOTE=nbardo;713078]Found some information put out by the university of kentucky. Its 5 years old so some of then information isnt up to date but it highlights some of the challenges. Namely the uncertainty with laws and with competition from other countries, the lack of a large established market with processing facilities to handle production, tools for processing the stalks to fiber efficiently, etc. And the lack of crop insurance for hemp is (was?) a big deal. They thought it would get started purely as an oilseed crop and if the market develops that technology and expertise might allow for more of the benefits of the fiber to be realized.

Hard to justify all that when corn, soy, canola, and cotton are all known quantities, and farmers have gotten very very good at growing them.

[url]https://www.uky.edu/Ag/AgEcon/pubs/reshempimpfarmer28.pdf[/url]

Interesting topic


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My info about there being only 4 places designated in NYS was way out of date since when I googled it I found a very different picture.

For instance,they aren't usually called farmers,they are called industrial producers since that's ALL they grow.See the title of this thread.

Here is a link for you which I know will help, at least for the situation in NYS.

[url]https://www.google.com/search?q=Hemp+growers+in+New+York+State&hl=en&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjU_fXF0ZDdAhWmUt8KHUIPD-AQ_AUICSgA&biw=1706&bih=815&dpr=1[/url]

Not too far from me on rt 313 which goes from NYS to VT there was a huge complex where mushrooms of all kinds were being grown and I used to go there to buy same.But they closed and some one else bought the place and applied for a license to grow hemp, but was turned down, I don't remember the reasons,but for each industrial grower the places where they wanted to grow hemp were visited to see if they met the specifications being asked for.

Carolyn

I had the helicopters hoover around me in my garden before.
I'm pretty sure they thought I was a pole dancer.:lol:

Worth

[QUOTE=nbardo;713062]What can an acre of hemp yield? How much does it cost to produce? How much can a farmer sell it for, per acre, at current market rates? What is the total annual global production of hemp? I have heard all the miraculous claims about its beneficial properties but i have never heard these kinds of economic questions asked. If farmers could be making a lot of money growing and selling hemp, it would be more common. If there was an economic engine driving this thing it would have been made legal years ago. It seems very niche.


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As long as it's not GMO roundup ready hemp seed, it will be ok...Monsanto or big Pharma get their hands on it, we're screwed.
Too many cotton subsidies over the years have limited hemp production is my take on it.

People of the US are already eating Glyphosate contaminated breakfast cereal, do we want children writing on Glyphosate contaminated paper?
It probably already is...

[QUOTE=Cole_Robbie;713081]Part of the reason that hemp will not replace trees as a paper source is that a large part of the trees used for paper in the US are grown in sparsely populated, often swampy and scrubby regions of the southeast, land that is not well-suited to any other type of agriculture, whether from climate or lack of infrastructure.[/QUOTE]


What a shame, as hemp paper is quite good and doesn't fox as badly as the acidic papers used now in books and such.

[QUOTE=pmcgrady;713095]As long as it's not GMO roundup ready hemp seed, it will be ok...Monsanto or big Pharma get their hands on it, we're screwed.
Too many cotton subsidies over the years have limited hemp production is my take on it.[/QUOTE]

Mine too, protectionism to its fullest.
They in part lobby for legislation to keep it illegal.

[QUOTE=Tormato;713052]This is not meant to be religious, nor political, but...



in the context of Marbury v Madison...
Genesis 1:29...(EVERY seed bearing herb)

and the free exercise clause of Article 1...


...it appears any such laws are null and void, but currently are not considered so, because We The People are clueless.



And please, no religious or political comments.[/QUOTE]

Would George Carlin's take on it be acceptable.:lol:

Worth

[url]https://www.agweb.com/article/what-farmers-need-to-unleash-a-hemp-beast-naa-chris-bennett/[/url]

Excellent article.
So much of what I read on ag is fluff or recycled news bit type stories.
I want to have Spears’ operation with the greenhouse full of clones.

[QUOTE=Cole_Robbie;713379][url]https://www.agweb.com/article/what-farmers-need-to-unleash-a-hemp-beast-naa-chris-bennett/[/url][/QUOTE]

I have access to 3-5 acres to "play with hemp", but there is no infrastructure setup yet...

Where do I get my permit to grow it?
Where do I get certified seed?
Where do I sell seed/fiber?

It will take a lot of pockets being filled before anyone in Illinois gets answers to these questions...

I’m not sure Sunn Hemp is the industrial hemp but I think maybe it is. Sunn Hemp is Crotalaria juncea. Marijuana is Cannabis sativa, a totally different genus. In no way does Sunn Hemp resemble Cannabis. Leaf margins are entire; no serration.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/EQyLpA7.jpg[/img]

It's a fast-growing, nitrogen fixing, soil building legume. It also creates a ton of biomass to incorporate into the soil when cut at the recommended 5-6' height while it is still very tender. Any taller and it gets very fibrous and hard to deal with tilling it into the soil when growing it as an amendment.

It also has the ability to suppress nematodes in the soil and that's why I tried some in one bed last summer in my vegetable garden. I got my seed at Southern Exposure Seed Exchange. There was a lot of seed in that pack. They germinated almost 100% and came up in about three days.

[IMG]https://i.imgur.com/opTNIz6.jpg[/IMG]

I cut down the Sunn hemp at 53 days of the listed 60 days to maturity and the tallest plants in the center of the bed were 6' tall. I took the hedge shears and working down the stems, chopped the hemp into 4" pieces so the stems wouldn't wrap around the tiller tines. They tilled in just fine. As it turned out, some of the thicker stem pieces took a long time to break down, many laying on top of the soil and needing several subsequent tillings for incorporation.

In my online research last year, the only drawback I discovered is that it can be a deer magnet and so is useful in wildlife feed plots. Fortunately the local population either never discovered my bed of it or ignored it. I think I will try it again this fall in one particularly 'todie' bed but cut it down sooner this time.

For more information:
[URL]https://petcherseeds.com/pages/sunn-...oduction-guide[/URL]
[URL]https://hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/proceedings1996/V3-389.html[/URL]
[URL]http://jute.org/Sunnhemp.htm[/URL]
[URL]https://votehemp.com/PDF/hemp97.pdf[/URL] (a 1997 piece but a lot of information)
[URL]https://mosesorganic.org/sunn-hemp/[/URL]

Sunn Hemp is definitely not Industrial Hemp.
Industrial hemp is Cannabis, where Sunn Hemp is Crotalaria, like you mentioned.
Every state has to set up a commision to set up rules and framework. The state's dept. of ag and university extension have to be involved.
Each state creates a pilot program from this process. It seems that each state can interpret what the pilot program should look like based on the 2014 Farm Bill allowing Industrial Hemp.
Most likely you are 1-2 years away from seeing anything significant in the ground.
North Carolina is way ahead of many states. Here's a brief snip of what is required:
"Rules for producing hemp have been approved and the commission has begun licensing growers to grow hemp under the rules. To grow industrial hemp in North Carolina, an individual must be a bona fide farmer in the state and provide tax information to show that.

Stewart says farmers must also agree to work with either North Carolina State University or North Carolina Agricultural and Technical State University to meet eleven research objectives established by statute in North Carolina.
Every farmer who grows hemp needs to address one or more of those objectives and turn over the information to the universities at the end of the year. We’re doing this so we can learn more about the crop,” Stewart says.
All planting of industrial hemp will be subject to sampling of THC, the psychoactive chemical found in marijuana. The North Carolina Department of Agriculture will conduct sampling of industrial hemp field and perform the sampling. By law, industrial hemp must have a THC level of 0.3 percent or less."

So, it will come down to how your state writes the rules.

NC State has a great site on this. Lots of great articles and links:
[URL="https://industrialhemp.ces.ncsu.edu/"]https://industrialhemp.ces.ncsu.edu/[/URL]

And here is the application information page that a farmer wanting to sign up would go to, will answer a lot of your questions and maybe indicate what your state might mimic:

[URL="http://www.ncagr.gov/hemp/application.htm"]http://www.ncagr.gov/hemp/application.htm[/URL]

The actual online application: [URL="https://apps.ncagr.gov/AgRSysPortal/IndustrialHemp/"]https://apps.ncagr.gov/AgRSysPortal/IndustrialHemp/[/URL]

And the FAQ page for applying:
[URL="http://www.ncagr.gov/hemp/Application-FAQs.htm"]http://www.ncagr.gov/hemp/Application-FAQs.htm[/URL]