Obviously confused, trying for certainty...help!

[janezee]

OK. I've tried and tried, rearranged, and thinned, and re-decided. If you can help, please do.
If I have something that is a true spitter to you, or grows just too big for the pots (5 gallon), please let me know. This is as much as I can fit, and several duplicates are going to friends and family. Those have to be in pots. If anything in the "in the ground" list is small enough to go in a pot, I'd love to know.
Please share your expertise with me. Thanks in advance.


Alpatieva 905A-POT
Cosmonaut Volkov-POT
Cowberian-POT
Dancing with Smurfs-POT
Fruehe Liebe-POT
Ida Gold-POT
Kimberley-POT
Moravsky Div-POT
New Big Dwarf-POT
New Yorker-POT
Pale Perfect Purple-POT
Rainy’s Maltese-POT
Red Robin-POT
Remy Rouge-POT
Rozovyi Myod (Pink Honey)-POT
Rutgers-POT
Siberian-POT
Sibersky Skorospelyi-POT
Skorospelka-POT
Sleeping Lady-POT
Sophie’s Choice-POT
Stupice-POT
Tumbler OP-POT
Wild Fred-POT
Yamal-POT


IN THE GROUND
Anna Russian
Azoychka
Black & Brown Boar
Black Cherry
Bosu
Campbell 146
Casino Chips
Chernomor
dice’s Mystery Black
dice’s Mystery Black x Chernamor f2
dice’s Mystery Black x Chernamor f3
Dr. Wyche’s Yellow
Gardener’s Delight
Goose Creek
Green Ghost
Green Grape
Indian Stripe
Jaune Flammee
Kosovo
Mazarini
Momotaro OP
Mr. Fumo
Neves Azorean Red
Plum Regal
Rebel Yell F5
Rumi Banjan
Russo Sicilian Togeta
San Francisco Fog
Sasha’s Altai
Spudakee
Stardust
Stump of the World
Sun Sugar
Wild Sweetie

jane

[stonysoilseeds]

hi jane i am lookig at your list and it looks extremely impressive,, i have reallly expanded mu list of varieties this year and some of them are on your list like the mt fuomo, dr wyches , sinberian and juamme flamee.. i have grown sungold in containers before on my deck with good redults,,,, the only tomato on your list that is not a keeper for me is rutgers, i replaced that with rose de berne as a main criop but once again you have an amazing selection of varieties and i wish you the best of luck growing them

[janezee]

Well, thank you! I did it all with the help of my friends here. I don't want to let anyone down by doing a bad job this year. Now, it's all up to the weather and my ability to find enough pots and soil!
Good luck to you, and to all of us.

[JoeP]

I grew Black Cherry, SunGold, and Green Grape in pots two years ago. They were more productive in the ground in 2011 than in 15 gallon pots in 2010.

If you are growing the cherries for production, I'd leave them in the ground. If you are growing them just to "try" and only need a few to see how it tastes, performs, then the pots would work for that.

Supposedly, there are two Green Grapes out there - a determinate and an indeterminate. If you know which one you have that may help you decide. The determinate one may do just as well in a pot as in the ground.

I grew Green Doctors last year in a 7 gallon pot and it was not terribly productive for me. I've heard good things about it so this year I am putting it in ground and may put it in my small greenhoue with some other large, late-season varieties.

Have you grown Wild Sweetie before. If so, I'd love to know how it is and if not I look forward to hearing how you like it.

[bitterwort]

I'd be tempted to put Pale Perfect Purple in the ground rather than in a pot. It's always been quite a large plant for me in the ground. You could swap it for Jaune Flammee, which always does just fine for me in a large pot.

[janezee]

Stony and Joe, that's good to know about the cherry tomatoes. I am trying a couple of them just for the taste sample and seed saving, and the others for production. My SunSugar will definitely be in the ground!
Joe, that's interesting about the Green Grape. I'll try that one in a pot, then. I don't know which one I have.

Which varieties are you putting in your GH? I'm trying to decide if I should do that, too. Or just peppers and eggplant. Mine's going to be really small.

I've not grown Wild Sweetie before. I'm thinking of planting a spare in the front garden on a trellis for decoration as well as food.

Thank you both for your comments.
j

[janezee]

Bitterwort, thank you so much for that observation. I've not grown either before, so I'll switch them. This is so much trial and error.
Way too much error!

[JoeP]

Originally Posted by janezee

Joe, that's interesting about the Green Grape. I'll try that one in a pot, then. I don't know which one I have.

Which varieties are you putting in your GH? I'm trying to decide if I should do that, too. Or just peppers and eggplant. Mine's going to be really small.

I've not grown Wild Sweetie before. I'm thinking of planting a spare in the front garden on a trellis for decoration as well as food.

Jane,

I need to correct my earlier statement about Green Grape. Tatiana's site has two listed and they are both indeterminates.

Original Green Grape from Tom Wagner.
http://t.tatianastomatobase.com:88/w...rape_(original)

The commonly available one.
http://t.tatianastomatobase.com:88/wiki/Green_Grape

I bought a Green Grape seedling from the farmer's market in 2010 from a lady that buys all of her seeds from Tomatofest. I thought it was a determinate but I did not really examine the plant to determine. Tomatofest lists it as indeterminate as well.

Ok. So I heard a rumor that Green Grape has a determinate cousin called Green Grape and I may be guilty of spreading rumors.

By the way, the Green Grape I grew in 2010 was better flavored that year than Green Doctors was in 2011. Of course 2011 was awful and not much tasted good so I'll give GD another try. I'll try GG again as well. It had a nice, spicey sweetness. It wasn't terribly productive for me but I had it in a 5 gallon pot.

For my greenhouse (a converted freestanding carport frame with plastic cover) my mind changes on which varieties to go in there. I am either dense or an optimist because I am trying several later season ones that are heat lovers. I have seedlings for several bicolors but I plan to put Lucky Cross and Gold Medal under cover. I also hear that Earl's Faux is outstanding in a warm summer, and Kellogg's Breakfast will hopefully do well with more heat. I ordered seeds for JDs Special C-Tex without having done my research. I learned that it is later than Cherokee Purple and Supdakee would have been the better selection. So JDs might go in the greenhouse if I decide to plant them at all. Did I mention that I have more varieties started than I have room to plant. I also plan to grow some peppers and dwarf Okra in the green house. Okra! Ha! I won't hold my breath but I'll be pleasantly surprised if I get some Okra.

I see you have Stump of the World on you list. I hope it does well for you. I grew it last year in a 15 gallon pot. It was late and not terribly productive but the taste was great. It was the only pink variety that had any real flavor. Most of my varieties last year had a bland, washed out taste from the cool, wet summer. Stump of the World is back again this year and I won't be putting it in a pot. I am trying Polish Ellis and Limbaugh's Legacy Potato Top to compare to SOTW. I have read in other threads that Polish Ellis is identical to SOTW and Limbaugh's Legacy Potato Top is supposed to be very similar but earlier. I hope so.

I'd be interested to know if Wild Sweetie is as wonderful as I have read. I hear the seeds are hard to come by. If it is a winner, save some seeds and send them to some of the seed vendors that participate in T-ville. It would be nice to have this available commercially. Of course, the wonderfulness could be a rumor too. I read that Gold Rush Currant was an excellent variety. It may be in other places but last year, in my garden, I was not impressed. At the end of the season I drug the pot with the plant covered in ripe and underipe little tomatoes out to my chicken pen. The chickens enjoyed every one of them so my efforts didn't go to waste.

[janezee]

Joe, I so enjoyed that post. Thank you!

Joe, I'm just hoping and sending good thoughts out to the universe for a 1 in 3 warm summer. All those good varieties came across my screen this year, too, and I resisted mightily, only to be sent several from a round robin or two. I so want to do the hot weather ones, too. <sigh> I'm giving serious thoughts to Omar's Lebanese for the same general reasons: taste, flavor, delectability. Tell you what, you grow JD's, and I'll swap some Spudakee with you in the fall. Then, next year, we can both do a side-by-side! And we can do that with Polish Ellis and SOTW, too.

Earl's Faux is on my GH possibility list. I'm thinking we have similar desires from a tomato. This just might be a summer like 2009, and 2006. Both excellent (for us) summers. Oh, I forgot, you weren't here then.
Sorry, you'll just have to take my word for it. ()

Wild Sweetie, along with 4 others here, are from Carolyn's offer in January. I believe they're not yet available commercially. There was some talk about it a few months ago, but I don't remember much more than a comment about it being in a certain book, and why, if you couldn't find it anywhere. It will be my first time, of course, and I think we're allowed to share the seeds after that. I'll check, though.

Any biggies in that HH, Joe? Would you like there to be???????

j

[travis]

While Plum Regal is a decent tasting plum saladette with great disease resistants, it's a hybrid with a parent that carries male sterility that will express in about 25% of the F2 seedlings. That means that if you try and grow out the saved seed, one in 4 plants will not bear fruit without hand pollination. Just a thought toward the future.

[janezee]

Thanks, travis. I am only growing Plum Regal for an experiment, really. Bejo Seeds sent me a couple of free packets, and I thought I'd grow them next to some OP tomatoes that we're trialing for blight resistance. I'm curious to see if the "Most Late-Blight Resistant Paste Tomato" (from what I've heard) will resist if the others planted next to them go down.

I plan on growing 1 Plum Regal, 1 Chernamor, 1 dice Mystery Black, 2 dice Mystery Black x Chernamor f2, and 3 dice Mystery Black x Chernamor f3 in the same raised bed, between two beds that had tomatoes with late blight on them last year, but in a bed that has not grown tomatoes yet at all. I'm hoping for interesting results. It's very exciting for me.
Dice made me promise to toss the spitters. Little did he (or I) know that I would become this mad trader and expander of my garden! I hope to have healthy replacements growing pots in August to replace non-performers.
Now that those 5 plants represent only 8.25% of my tomatoes instead of 33.3% of my crop, it's easier to keep that promise.

Life's too short to grow bad tomatoes.

[remy]

Polish Ellis and Stump are not the same tomato. I've grown both and at the same time. Stump is my all time favorite, and believe me I would know if they were one in the same.
Indian Stripe did well for me in a large pot. The plants are small as far as indeterminates go. It did almost as well as the plants in the ground.
Remy

[janezee]

Excellent! So good to know all that.
Thank you, Remy.

Has life slowed down at all lately, or are you even busier?

j

[remy]

Jane,
It is getting calmer with the seeds. Tomorrow, we should be pretty well caught up! Of course now, it is garden time and cooking class time so I will be too busy again, lol.
Remy

[dice]

Cosmonaut Volkov gets a bit big for a pot, unless you lavish a lot of
attention on it (watering as necessary and extra fertilizer to replace
what washes out). I would echo that for Pale Perfect Purple, too. You
might want to swap those with a couple of others presently slated for
growing in the ground.

Dice's Mystery Black by itself is not late blight tolerant (Tania tested
that a few years ago). Chernomor RL did survive late blight in her
outdoor garden. So you could get late blight tolerant plants from
the Dice's Mystery Black x Chernomor F2s and F3s. (If none of those
survive it, do not save the seeds, would be my advice, unless you get
one so tasty that you cannot live without it whether it gets late blight
or not.) Flavor would be a different issue with those. The F2s that I grew
ranged from mild to super sweet, and most were more productive than
Dice's Mystery Black itself. There were no outright spitters that tasted
bad. If your results are similar, at worst you can use them for juice,
soup, etc, even if they do not survive late blight and do not have flavor
so good it is worth selecting them (saving the seeds) just for that.