Experiment Tomato

jmsieglaff · April 21, 2014

Our 4 year old son loves to help with the garden and he eats nearly everything we grow. His favorites are tomatoes, peppers and cucumbers--so we buy those from the store all winter. The store bought cukes are OK, the little red/orange/yellow peppers are usually quite good, and tomatoes....well a good batch is OK (we buy the little red and yellow ones) not the hard as a rock slicers. After we sowed our tomato seeds earlier a few weeks ago, he was eating one of the yellow ones, spit a seed out and asked can we plant this seed? I said sure, explained that the tomato might not be like the yellow one you're eating. He said that's OK. The first true leaves are coming in now and to my surprise they are potato leaf. No real question, I was just surprised to see PL. It will be interesting to see what these end up being as a home-grown variety.

bower · April 22, 2014

Potato leaf is a recessive trait, so the appearance of PL means the seedling is homozygous for that leaf type. If the mother plant was an F1 hybrid, it would have to be a hybrid involving two PL parents.

Since I think PL is not a very common trait in the hybrid world, chances are your PL tomato may have come from a stable OP variety. If the fruit is like the parent, I think you can be pretty sure of that.

There aren't a lot of PL yellow cherry tomatoes. Galinas Yellow is one, Yellow Perfection is another, and there may be a couple more. GY and YP are nothing like one another in appearance or taste, could easily be told apart.

Doug9345 · April 22, 2014

In another thread Carolyn says she waits until a plant has four or five true leaves before she declares what kind of foliage that it has.

I found the thread.
http://www.tomatoville.com/showthrea...light=seedling

jmsieglaff · April 22, 2014

Thanks for the input--and thanks for the link. I will wait for a while then before saying for sure. For the reasons you mention bower, I was surprised about the PL...especially if the leaf type holds up.

I figured why not grow this tomato. We'll have plenty of great tasting tomatoes to eat--so even if this one isn't as good, the fact they will be home-grown and harvested at full ripeness should make for at least a decent tomato and our son thinks it's really neat to have a tomato plant growing in the basement from a tomato seed he spit out from the store.

NarnianGarden · April 22, 2014

Experimenting is fun, if you have space - and even when you don't, as is the case with me...!

I'm trying out a couple of store-bought cherries this year, a yellow pearl and a black/striped cherry type. So far the seedlings are strong and happy. Doing this just for curiosity - like yourself, I'm sure they will at least be decent. How could they not be, when grown in composted horsemanure and fed with organic fertilizer. Horse dung makes anything taste good

It will be especially interesting to see if the black one will be anything similar to Black Cherry. No idea if black color is a recessive or dominant trait - the seedling itself looks very dark.

lexusnexus · April 22, 2014

Cool story about your son. When mine was a toddler (many years ago) we couldn't find him one day. When we went out back we found him in the garden pulling Chinese melting peas off the vines and munching them down. He's always loved garden fresh vegetables.

Dan

jmsieglaff · May 10, 2014

Well I'm thinking this thing may actually be PL. See below.

Redbaron · May 10, 2014

Sure looks like a PL to me!

ginger2778 · May 10, 2014

Definitely is.

Marsha

epsilon · May 11, 2014

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doug9345

In another thread Carolyn says she waits until a plant has four or five true leaves before she declares what kind of foliage that it has.

I found the thread.
http://www.tomatoville.com/showthrea...light=seedling

It's been a while since I made that thread and it think it's safe to say that at this point I think they are PL which means that there's now a PL Don's double delight or Joe's Portuguese... I lost the label but what matter is that I know for sure that I didn't buy any PL seed this season. But I think I'll definitely be saving seed from all of those tomatoes, providing that they are what they were labeled.

Gaston

jmsieglaff · May 15, 2014

Quote:

Originally Posted by bower

Potato leaf is a recessive trait, so the appearance of PL means the seedling is homozygous for that leaf type. If the mother plant was an F1 hybrid, it would have to be a hybrid involving two PL parents.

Since I think PL is not a very common trait in the hybrid world, chances are your PL tomato may have come from a stable OP variety. If the fruit is like the parent, I think you can be pretty sure of that.

There aren't a lot of PL yellow cherry tomatoes. Galinas Yellow is one, Yellow Perfection is another, and there may be a couple more. GY and YP are nothing like one another in appearance or taste, could easily be told apart.

It will be interesting to see how the fruit ends up on this tomato. For the reasons you mention the PL of this tomato sure surprised me. The seed this tomato plant came from is a widely available yellow cherry, pretty sure they are greenhouse raised for grocery stores.

kath · May 16, 2014

Quote:

Originally Posted by epsilon

It's been a while since I made that thread and it think it's safe to say that at this point I think they are PL which means that there's now a PL Don's double delight or Joe's Portuguese... I lost the label but what matter is that I know for sure that I didn't buy any PL seed this season. But I think I'll definitely be saving seed from all of those tomatoes, providing that they are what they were labeled.

Gaston

Gaston- I reread this thread as well as yours, but I'm confused by this post. Don's Double Delight is a potato-leaved variety while Joe's Portuguese should have regular leaves. Doesn't that mean that your PL plant is Don's Double Delight?

kath

NarnianGarden · May 16, 2014

I've also got a PL seedling from a storebought yellow cherry - 'pearl tomato' it was called. Several leaves already, and it looks very similar to yours.

jmsieglaff · June 8, 2014

This plant is putting on a flush of flowers right now. The foliage seems perhaps a bit more sparse than all other tomatoes growing in the garden this year. Shall be interesting in a month or so when they ripen.

epsilon · June 8, 2014

Kath- Sorry about the lag in response.

I was going based off the information on Doublehelix's website,
http://doublehelixfarms.com/Dons-Double-Delight

To my latest knowledge it is listed as an RL plant. And I couldn't find it on Tanias tbase. But then again for some reason I have difficulty searching through the wiki sometimes and could not at the time find any relevant information concerning Don's double Delight.

But since you have grown it and it was a PL I guess then that there's nothing out of the ordinary for my experience with the plant.

Gaston.

April 21, 2014	#1
jmsieglaff Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Southern WI Posts: 2,742	Experiment Tomato Our 4 year old son loves to help with the garden and he eats nearly everything we grow. His favorites are tomatoes, peppers and cucumbers--so we buy those from the store all winter. The store bought cukes are OK, the little red/orange/yellow peppers are usually quite good, and tomatoes....well a good batch is OK (we buy the little red and yellow ones) not the hard as a rock slicers. After we sowed our tomato seeds earlier a few weeks ago, he was eating one of the yellow ones, spit a seed out and asked can we plant this seed? I said sure, explained that the tomato might not be like the yellow one you're eating. He said that's OK. The first true leaves are coming in now and to my surprise they are potato leaf. No real question, I was just surprised to see PL. It will be interesting to see what these end up being as a home-grown variety.

April 22, 2014	#3
Doug9345 Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Durhamville,NY Posts: 2,706	In another thread Carolyn says she waits until a plant has four or five true leaves before she declares what kind of foliage that it has. I found the thread. http://www.tomatoville.com/showthrea...light=seedling Last edited by Doug9345; April 22, 2014 at 10:36 PM. Reason: to add thread link.

April 22, 2014	#6
lexusnexus Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: MD Suburbs of DC, Zone 7a Posts: 500	Cool story about your son. When mine was a toddler (many years ago) we couldn't find him one day. When we went out back we found him in the garden pulling Chinese melting peas off the vines and munching them down. He's always loved garden fresh vegetables. Dan __________________ Dan

May 10, 2014	#8
Redbaron Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 4,488	Sure looks like a PL to me! __________________ Scott AKA The Redbaron "Permaculture is a philosophy of working with, rather than against nature; of protracted & thoughtful observation rather than protracted & thoughtless labour; & of looking at plants & animals in all their functions, rather than treating any area as a single-product system." Bill Mollison co-founder of permaculture

April 22, 2014	#2
bower Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Newfoundland, Canada Posts: 6,794	Potato leaf is a recessive trait, so the appearance of PL means the seedling is homozygous for that leaf type. If the mother plant was an F1 hybrid, it would have to be a hybrid involving two PL parents. Since I think PL is not a very common trait in the hybrid world, chances are your PL tomato may have come from a stable OP variety. If the fruit is like the parent, I think you can be pretty sure of that. There aren't a lot of PL yellow cherry tomatoes. Galinas Yellow is one, Yellow Perfection is another, and there may be a couple more. GY and YP are nothing like one another in appearance or taste, could easily be told apart.

April 22, 2014	#5
NarnianGarden Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Finland, EU Posts: 2,550	Experimenting is fun, if you have space - and even when you don't, as is the case with me...! I'm trying out a couple of store-bought cherries this year, a yellow pearl and a black/striped cherry type. So far the seedlings are strong and happy. Doing this just for curiosity - like yourself, I'm sure they will at least be decent. How could they not be, when grown in composted horsemanure and fed with organic fertilizer. Horse dung makes anything taste good It will be especially interesting to see if the black one will be anything similar to Black Cherry. No idea if black color is a recessive or dominant trait - the seedling itself looks very dark.

May 10, 2014	#9
ginger2778 Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Plantation, Florida zone 10 Posts: 9,283	Definitely is. Marsha

May 16, 2014	#13
NarnianGarden Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Finland, EU Posts: 2,550	I've also got a PL seedling from a storebought yellow cherry - 'pearl tomato' it was called. Several leaves already, and it looks very similar to yours.

June 8, 2014	#15
epsilon Tomatovillian™ Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Desert CA Posts: 400	Kath- Sorry about the lag in response. I was going based off the information on Doublehelix's website, http://doublehelixfarms.com/Dons-Double-Delight To my latest knowledge it is listed as an RL plant. And I couldn't find it on Tanias tbase. But then again for some reason I have difficulty searching through the wiki sometimes and could not at the time find any relevant information concerning Don's double Delight. But since you have grown it and it was a PL I guess then that there's nothing out of the ordinary for my experience with the plant. Gaston.